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		<title>Georgia on their minds</title>
		<link>http://kino.reticulator.com/2008/08/18/georgia-on-their-mind/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The conflict in Georgia got me thinking about Russian movies that feature Georgians. Are there any insights to be gained about Russian attitudes towards the people? Mimino is a big one. The main character is Georgian. He is played as a good-hearted country bumpkin &#8212; he talks loudly on the phone, is quick-tempered, carries on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conflict in Georgia got me thinking about Russian movies that feature Georgians. Are there any insights to be gained about Russian attitudes towards the people?</p>
<p>Mimino is a big one. The main character is Georgian. He is played as a good-hearted country bumpkin &#8212; he talks loudly on the phone, is quick-tempered, carries on an honorable feud, and is an all-around good guy. But now I wonder how the Georgians feel about this movie. The Georgian characters are treated sympathetically. Or is it condescension? It can be hard to tell the two apart in my own culture, so I wouldn&#8217;t dare to say how it comes across to someone else. Regardless, I thought it was a great movie.</p>
<p>There are a lot of other movies that deal with the Caucasus, but I don&#8217;t know if the Caucasians in them are Georgians. For example, there is &#8220;Kidnapping, Caucasion Style.&#8221; Those people in it &#8212; are they Georgians? And are the filmmakers having fun by stereotyping them? They wear some of the same style hats, if I remember correctly. Again, what do the ethnic groups being portrayed think of the movie? (Not that everyone should have the same opinion.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Depuis qu&#8217;Otar est partir&#8221; features Georgians and Russians, but that one is not a Russian film.</p>
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARMs817_GB0"><img src="http://kino.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/georgian-mother-small.jpg" alt="georgian-mother" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="400" height="342" /></a></p>
<p>But in keeping with this blog&#8217;s mission to deal with the most trivial aspects of movies, I have to wonder about a Georgian references in Kin-dza-dza. One of the two main characters from planet earth is supposed to be Georgian, but what are we to make of that scene toward the end where Uef of planet Pluk says he had a Georgian mother? The two worlds are so different from each other, and had known nothing about each other.  All of a sudden Uef says comes out with that line, but it generates no big surprise.  I suspect an inside joke.</p>
<p>(Late edit &#8211; changed the title to make it more grammatical)</p>
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		<title>Belyy Bim Chornoe Ukno &#8211; police</title>
		<link>http://kino.reticulator.com/2008/08/11/belyy-bim-chornoe-ukno-police/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This segment of Black Bim White Ear reminds me that I&#8217;ve been somewhat surprised by the portrayal of people&#8217;s interactions with police in movies from the Soviet era. I wasn&#8217;t surprised that in Moskva slezam ne verit, Katerina tells her daughter that they shouldn&#8217;t call the police about some bullies who have been harassing her [...]]]></description>
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<p>This segment of Black Bim White Ear reminds me that I&#8217;ve been somewhat surprised by the portrayal of people&#8217;s interactions with police in movies from the Soviet era.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t surprised that in Moskva slezam ne verit, Katerina tells her daughter that they shouldn&#8217;t call the police about some bullies who have been harassing her boyfriend, that they should handle the situation themselves.   That&#8217;s kind of what I would expect in a police state.  Even in the U.S. people sometimes have the idea that you should <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/why_you_should.html">never talk to the police</a> &#8212; which is not quite the same thing, but it&#8217;s not completely different, either.</p>
<p>But there are movies like Black Bim where people are quick to call the police (who seem to be always nearby, unlike in the U.S. where you can call 911 and sometimes wait a long time before anyone comes).  And they are quick to berate the police for not doing their jobs.</p>
<p>Officer:  &#8220;Who shouted?&#8221;</p>
<p>Man:  &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you watch?  Dogs at a street crossing of a regional center.&#8221;</p>
<p>I might think this was taking place in a Potemkin village, except the same sort of thing happens on planet Pluk in Kin-Dza-Dza.</p>
<p>There are of course people in the U.S. who will mouth off to the police.  (I remember seeing the bumper sticker on a car that would tend to attract police attention even without it, &#8220;Bad cop. No Donut.&#8221;)  But there are Russian movies in which &#8220;respectable&#8221; people do it, as happens on the street and at the police station in Belyy Bim.</p>
<p>So I wonder if that sort of thing was portrayed realistically, or if the sort of relationship in Moscow Has No Room for Tears was more realistic, or if both were realistic, depending on time and place.</p>
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		<title>Yuri Yakovlev</title>
		<link>http://kino.reticulator.com/2008/02/07/yuri-yakovlev/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha. I wouldn&#8217;t have guessed that on my own. Yury Yakovlev, who plays Bi in &#8220;Kin-Dza-Dza&#8221; is the same person who played Ippolit in Ryazanov&#8217;s &#8220;The Irony of Fate.&#8221; I had immediately recognized Yevgeny Leonov, the actor who plays Uef, as the same guy who had played the old retired military officer who rescues our [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha.  I wouldn&#8217;t have guessed that on my own.   <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Yakovlev">Yury Yakovlev</a>, who plays Bi in &#8220;<a href="http://www.reticulator.com/2008/02/02/kin-dza-dza/" target="_blank">Kin-Dza-Dza</a>&#8221; is the same person who played Ippolit in Ryazanov&#8217;s &#8220;The Irony of Fate.&#8221;  I had immediately recognized <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Leonov" target="_blank">Yevgeny Leonov</a>, the actor who plays Uef, as the same guy who had played the old retired military officer who rescues our hero in Mimino.   But I hadn&#8217;t recognized his sidekick at all.  Goes to show he has a bit of range to his talents.   Contrast that to someone like Nikita Mikhalkov, who plays the same character no matter what movie he&#8217;s in.</p>
<p>I had earlier commented on how I couldn&#8217;t tell what had made the movie difficult to get past the Soviet censors.   Well, duh, I should have known because I&#8217;ve talked about this several times.  Usually in Soviet movies, the law enforcement and legal authorities are portrayed as wise, kindly, omniscient characters  (e.g. in Brilliantovaya Ruka, Mimino) unless, of course, they are pre-revolutionary characters (e.g. in Siberiade).   In Kin-Dza-Dza, nobody on planet Pluk is a nice guy.  They are all back-stabbing, manipulative, selfish, ordinary people that are your everyday companions and colleagues.   But the ecilops (police) are especially easy to dislike &#8212; smarmy characters like some bullies we all knew in school.</p>
<p>Maybe the trick was to get the censors to think of these as pre-revolutionary characters.  (It&#8217;s just a guess, though.)</p>
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		<title>Can we ask them?</title>
		<link>http://kino.reticulator.com/2008/02/03/can-we-ask-them/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Movies]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#8217;t sure what in the movie Kin-dza-dza would have made it a difficult one to get past the Soviet censors. Maybe this scene near the end would have been seen as subversive. It certainly would be subversive of a lot of what we&#8217;re getting from the most fascist elements (i.e. the leading elements) in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure what in the movie Kin-dza-dza would have made it a difficult one to get past the Soviet censors.  Maybe this scene near the end would have been seen as subversive.  It certainly would be subversive of a lot of what we&#8217;re getting from the most fascist elements (i.e. the leading elements) in our own political parties now.</p>
<p>Our protagonists are trying to get back to earth, but don&#8217;t want to abandon to a terrible fate the two characters from Pluk who&#8217;ve been with them for most of the movie.   The sensitive, compassionate head honcho on planet Alpha tells our heros not to worry about those two: &#8220;To continue their lives in the form of plants would be a blessing for them.&#8221;</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/image.jpg" alt="Image" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="450" height="372" /></p>
<p>And by this time our protagonist cares about more than just taking advantage of the situation for his own ends.  He asks, &#8220;Can we send for them and ask them what would be a blessing for them and what not?&#8221;</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/image-1.jpg" alt="Image" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="450" height="369" /></p>
<p>How about that?  It&#8217;s a pro-choice message.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the YouTube segment these scenes are taken from.  It&#8217;s the 13th of 14 parts.</p>
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		<title>Kin-Dza-Dza</title>
		<link>http://kino.reticulator.com/2008/02/02/kin-dza-dza/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Andrei Tarkovsky]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Georgi Daneliya]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a movie that goes Andrei Tarkovsky&#8217;s Solaris one better. Solaris itself was somewhat of a reaction against Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s 2001: A Space Odyssey. 2001 featured gleaming high-tech on a massive scale. In Solaris, the space vehicle is somewhat run down and the protagonist goes around in a soiled shirt. But that&#8217;s nothing compared to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center"><img src="http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kino10.jpg" alt="Kino10" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="343" height="531" /></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a movie that goes Andrei Tarkovsky&#8217;s <em>Solaris</em> one better.   <em>Solaris</em> itself was somewhat of a reaction against Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s <em>2001: A Space Odyssey</em>.  <em>2001</em> featured gleaming high-tech on a massive scale.  In <em>Solaris</em>, the space vehicle is somewhat run down and the protagonist goes around in a soiled shirt.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s nothing compared to Kin-dza-dza, which came out in Russia in 1986.   Two of the interplanetary space travelers are pictured above.  (It&#8217;s a photo of the VHS cover.  I cobbed it from Wikipedia.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kindzadzaspaceship.jpg"><img src="http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kindzadzaspaceship-small.jpg" alt="KinDzaDzaSpaceship" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="450" height="328" /></a></p>
<p>And here is their spacecraft.  (Photo cobbed from the same source as the above one.)  It&#8217;s a creaky rattle-trap rustbucket, but it does work.</p>
<p>This movie isn&#8217;t on Netflix.  There is no official English-language subtitled version.   But it&#8217;s on YouTube, with subtitles, in 14 parts.   I happened upon it last night.  I haven&#8217;t nearly finished watching.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big science fiction fan, but small doses like this are great.  It&#8217;s had me laughing. Wikipedia says it&#8217;s somewhat of an allegory of Soviet society, but somehow made it past the censors anyway.  I don&#8217;t know about that &#8212; maybe it applies to tourist behavior and social relationships in general.   Whatever it is, it&#8217;s fun to watch.</p>
<p>Here, for my convenience and that of anyone else who cares, are links to all 14 of the segments.  It can be somewhat of a nuisance to find them in order using YouTube&#8217;s search.</p>
<ol>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=wOTcQGqxALA">Part 1 (1 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=BABFQkeDCc8">Part 1 (2 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXphPXAyGUQ">Part 1 (3 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=RSGM0vIhbCA">Part 1 (4 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ih_REKWIfao">Part 1 (5 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=xjfV7ONK4k0">Part 1 (6 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=5trpaF0WReE">Part 1 (7 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=EAG8G2yl9ds">Part 2 (1 of 7</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=pg5Rc-97j7Y">Part 2 (2 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=PTiSY4MN9q8">Part 2 (3 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=4z6gK1Z2AWo">Part 2 (4 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=zX8meJ9J5gc">Part 2 (5 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ARMs817_GB0">Part 2 (6 of 7)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7-pYmm8fE">Part 2 (7 of 7)</a></li>
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